I have a question.
I am a teacher and after exploring this website to see what the IB program is all about, I have come to the conclusion that it is a vehicle to spread a certain political ideology, that of the United Nation's.
The United Nations is like a huge lobbying company, with an agenda of its own as laid out on its website.
This ideology may not be acceptable to all.
Where and when do children get taught that self-reliance, individualism, and excellence in skills (such as math, science, reading) are important? What skills are taught in this program?
Thank you.
Mrs. NH
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This website is for the IB community (that is IB teachers, students, parents and staff) to share ways to respond to some key global issues. It is part of the IB community theme: sharing our humanity.
The IB community theme is a voluntary initiative for IB World Schools. No school is required to engage with the community theme.
The IB public website gives information about all the IB's programmes with full descriptions of the academic skills and subject knowledge required; and of the IB’s learner profile. It also gives details of the acceptability of the rigorous academic qualifications by leading universities around the world. Please visit this site www.ibo.org for further information. Follow the link at the top of pages on this website. Community theme team
NH--
I have been following your and posts of others in the State of Utah, USA regarding a few Utah legislators who with their limited understanding have derailed what is a very good thing for kids. IB is honored at all of our state schools and the website for CES schools says "strongly encourages" either IB or AP.
So to answer your question--Where and when do children get taught that self-reliance, individualism, and excellence in skills (such as math, science, reading) are important? What skills are taught in this program?
Boydr is correct that your questions can be answered on the public site. As a non-IB Educator, you can't log in to the Online Curriculum Center Which is the same curriculum but developed for teachers. So, please let me invite you to come to Provo High School, I believe that we are very close to you. I can't give you the curriculum, but I can let you look at anything you would like to see. (I am sure that you understand copyright laws) I am also sure that my teachers and students would be willing to answer your questions as well.
Once you see IB in action, I believe concerns you have will be laid to rest. I look forward to connecting with you. If you can't make it to the school free free to call me.
Lori Rich
Diploma Programme Coordinator
Provo High School
LoriR@provo.edu
Not an answer...
I am a father from PYP schooll in Brazil who just came here with similar intention.
With all due respect, may I guess you are north-american?
I find your conclusion totally preposterous and I will also strongly dispute your qualification of the United Nations if you want to discuss it.
I am also having some trouble understanding what this site is about. Yet, I would never jump to conclude from its selection of articles that someone is exposing an ideological stand point or serving some lobby.
I am not a teacher, but I do care about education. Have you had the curiosity of checking IBO main site: www.ibo.org ?
I bet there you not only find answers to your questions. You might discover a worldview that is a less self centered and self assured than the one your post conveyed to me, which I do hope to be wrong.
Sincerely.
Hermano Cintra
How many schools in NH have the IB Programmes in their curriculum?
How many are currently in the process of application?
How many are looking into the programmes?
I have several questions about the IB Diploma Programme:
1. Are IB Tests and Essays graded objectively or subjectively?
2. Are the tests that are given all essays? True false? Multiple choice? Written in answers? etc.?
3. If the IBO Programmes' beliefs & values "encourage students ... to understand that other people, with their differences, can also be right", the IBO must then mean that the American beliefs & values may be right for Americans, and that the beliefs & values of the test examiners are right for themselves, and that the IBO beliefs & values are right for everyone and therefore everyone is right. With that said then every student's true or false, multiple choice, or essay answers should technically be correct and therefore every student should be graded a "7" or perfect score on their test? Am I correct in assuming this?
4. Is there any system or process or appeal process for a student or parent to question a final grade on one of these tests? If yes, what exactly is the process? Does it happen in the USA or in Switzerland? 5. If they are graded subjectively, and it is the opinion then of the test examiner that the student does not show that they have learned the “beliefs and views” of the IBO through their 2 years of the program, could I assume that this is an opinion based curriculum?
6. Are the records of students shared with the IBO in any way, shape or manner?
7. If yes, exactly what records are shared?
8. If yes, do these records go to Switzerland?
9. If a student does not receive a very high score (6 or 7)at the higher level, will that student get any credit toward college?
10. Will students that test in the lower level and receive a high grade get any credits toward college?
11. Does this IBO Program teach facts about the various subjects like physics, math, english, sciences etc.? Explain in detail?
These are some questions that I have after reading the information on the programmes.
Thank you,
Rick
NH
It looks like my comment was flagged so I will ask it again:
I have a question.
I am a teacher and after exploring this website to see what the IB program is all about, I have come to the conclusion that it is a vehicle to spread a certain political ideology, that of the United Nation's.
The United Nations is like a huge lobbying company, with an agenda of its own as laid out on its website.
This ideology may not be acceptable to all.
Where and when do children get taught that self-reliance, individualism, and excellence in skills (such as math, science, reading) are important? What skills are taught in this program?
If the content of this website is not what you expect teachers to teach, then why have it at all? It's not just here, but on www.ibo.org site as well.
To answer Lori's question, since the reply button is missing, I have already some of the curriculum in my possession and quite frankly I can see why you don't want people to see it.
It's shocking.
Dear Rick,
As Boyd mentioned earlier, this particular website (IB Community Theme) is for the IB community (that is IB teachers, students, parents and staff) to share ways to respond to some key global issues. It is also a forum for those people to share some of the experiences and ideas they have for community and environmental projects.
You are more than welcome to ask questions about the IB programmes - asking questions leads to greater understanding - however, the questions you asked would be best directed to the IB representative in your region who I'm sure would be more than happy to answer them.
You will find the contact details of the IB offices on the IB's main public website: http://www.ibo.org/offices/
Please feel free to re-direct your questions to the appropriate office.
Kind regards,
Stefanie
IB Australasia Office
NH, the comments you made and the queries you have regarding the IB would also be best directed to the IB Representative in your region.
If you would like to know:
" Where and when do children get taught that self-reliance,
individualism, and excellence in skills (such as math, science,
reading) are important? What skills are taught in this program?"
That can certainly be answered in great detail.
This forum however is not the appropriate place to do so. Please feel free to contact the IB office in your region by email, phone or letter.
This website was not created for the purpose of 'teaching teachers what to teach' but for sharing ideas and experiences relating to the theme of 'Sharing our Humanity' - a point which is made clear in the section 'About this site'.
Kind regards,
Stefanie
Hello Mrs. NH,
What an interesting question and perspective!
I have been an IB Physics teacher and Workshop leader for a number of years and would like to assure you that the academic rigor of the experimental sciences is highly valued. The overall work emphasizes both laboratory and theory work. The lab work promotes effective group work as well as assuring the development of individual skills.
Self-reliance and individualism is required in the Extended Essay, which is one culminating effort of the IB Diploma program. Community Action and Service leads to much activity that draws on the personal skills of the individual. I recommend looking at the Learner Profile to see a large part of what the IB is promoting among its students, along with its inclusion of a global perspective.
I am not qualified to discuss the pros and cons of the UN or to compare its political agenda to the philosophy of IB. However, I have watched the world's leaders squabble and go to war altogether too often in 65 years. I have watched programs such at the USA's Peace Corps make efforts to bring personal understanding to the people. I see the EU investing in parts of the world that need assistance. I see the UN acting to try to bring peace to Kenya. I see my nation, the USA, behaving imperialistically and oblivious to the values of other peoples. I would argue that if an educational program can set, as one of its goals, global understanding and international cooperation while maintaining academic rigor, then that organization is to be commended.
Ken Fox
It is true that the IB has a strong political standing but I don't think that it means that students aren't encouraged to strivie for excellence, to be resilient, independent and compassionate. In the Making It Happen reference, skills are discussed. Don't forget most educational institutions tend to promote a political view point, usually associated with the promotion of national issues.
Dear NH,
I have been a teacher for over 30 years and believe that ALL education is packed with ideology. The IB clearly states their philosophy and view of the world. I find it refreshing to work with individuals who are AWARE of the foundations programs are built upon. Being open-minded to other ways of viewing the world is highly valued within the IB. I do not believe you will find it a limiting foundation for education.
Learners in IB schools are empowered to evaluate issues and think for themselves. Basic skills are taught with greater excellence than governmental agencies require. (I am from the U.S.) Visiting an IB school will be your best option to experience for yourself the superior educational system IB encourages of their schools.
Is IB a UN disguise for global social engineering?
Dear Rick (and NH),
I believe your comments and questions have been answered already on the IB public website:
http://www.ibo.org/ibna/actionpacks/documents/MythvFact_000.pdf
As already mentioned, this site is actually for members of the IB community, and is therefore not the appropriate place to view your perceptions about the IB organization.
Sincerely,
John Switzer
Programme Recognition Manager
IB Asia Pacific
Rick asked some questions that, as a new IB parent of a teen in the Diploma program, I am eager to learn the answers to.
Rick, did you get a response somewhere else?
best regards,
Paula
Dear Paula,
Thank you for your question. This particular website is focused on bringing the IB community together to focus on global issues, and it is on these areas that IB responds here.
A lot of information regarding the IB programmes can be found on the IB public website (www.ibo.org). If you have specific questions, please direct them to communications@ibo.org.
Best wishes
Boyd Roberts
for the community theme team